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Whether it was feeding, or killing, or-, And he does. Meaning, I mean, what- what- any idea what was in his mind? Mm-hmm (affirmative). Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. Gary had denied this to his own lawyers. My name's Benjamin Walker and here are some RadioLab credits. It just that-, Yeah. What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies. Because Haber figured out a way to take nitrogen from the air, put it into the barren ground and grew wheat. Well talk about Fritz Haber. The shocker would say, "Hell no I don't.". And you tell us, "Actually, no. That's what we're heading towards. Wow. Okay, one of those very tiny old fashioned pair of glasses that would pinch on your nose. It's about 1880. In that moment, my father, he stands up and he says. He's bad. And my father was recruited to the task force. To him, he seemed calm and I left, and went home. Check out the Blank Slate, a book by Steven Pinker, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. The questionnaires they filled out are part of the Milgram archive at Yale. No. Continue using the last switch on the board, please. Fritz Haber's a professor, small university. He was t- very aggressive. Okay. We decided to shake things up at the show.bear with us. His experiment remains one of the most famous experiments of the 20th century. I'm Robert Krulwich. There's trench warfare, it gets bogged down and Haber has an idea. They continued shocking their corpses. Then the executioner castrates you, cuts you open, and takes out your internal organs, and then, separates your head, which is put on a post. no one has ever said about a sex tape that I've ever you know. Where sound illuminates ideas, and the boundaries blur between science, philosophy, and human experience. And I think what we want out of the why is meaning, meaning to life to reveal itself in a way that restores order and give us hope that all of this isn't just meaningless chaos. And in the trial, when the prosecutors, essentially, ask him how you came to commit genocide he would say, over and over again-. And he believed it. You know, he does it without humility, without- without a lot of doubt. And oddly enough, we got a really interesting take on the true nature of badness from this guy-. Well, actually the one thing that the study really doesn't show is that people obey orders. Let's just finish this. His health is failing in 1934. They reach back to the shelf and they find this zyklon stuff. Cruelty, violence, badness in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. That's like an adult blue whale of chlorine. Meanwhile later that night, the other side of town. He would obscure. The son, eventually, after he emigrates to America kills himself. Okay, we're going off tape now. If you breathed it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drowning in your own phlegm. "Demand me nothing, what you know-, From this time forth, I never will speak word." He recruited a bunch of subjects. You know, "I just want to kill her. And if they still were resisting or struggling, they'd get proud number three. Uh, walked in and asked his wife, uh, where this friend of mine was. And as soon as it did, soldiers began to convulse. Radiolab.org. Said- said, "Yes, I've thought about killing someone.". Transcripts and recorded audio may be available for many of the programs you hear on WNYC. Okay. Just push the button that corresponds to the right word. Again, it's a pretty big thing to miss. Cruelty, violence, badness. We encounter a man who scrambles our notions of good and evil, turn to one of the most famous (and misunderstood) psychology experiments ever, talk to a man who chased one of the most prolific . Because you are sullied by them. He would deny things. It was- it was a warning smell so that people didn't inadvertently breathe it in and get sick. We will begin with this test-. What he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. A lot of people were beginning to worry that with about a billion and a half people in the planet at that point, that maybe we were maxing out. An mlsconsumeraccess.org number 3030. [1] Radiolab was founded by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich in 2002. in what is basically like the Baghdad of his time (laughing). We're going off tape now. Despite the chlorine gas. With higher and higher voltage. And it's a craft, but it's a craft with consequences, and to approach it with kind of crazy joy? 450 volts every shock now? This next part's a little graphic. ", Yes I did need to kill. So, I broke up with him. And then the final one-. And to make the problems even more annoying. So he decided he was going to invent a process to pay for these reparations by himself. The first victims of the Green River killer were found in the summer of 1982. However, that leaves behind 20 million Germans. They will spare his son if he fesses up and- and tells them what they need to know. Is that like a- like a green cloud? But that's just a- those are fantasies. September 15, 2022 Radiolab for Kids and WNYC Studios present Terrestrials, a six-episode miniseries hosted by Lulu Miller (co-host of Radiolab . This is a 20 year old female. And he throws himself at one of the central issues facing Germany at that time. Don't you think you should look in on him, please? Okay. 35.3M . But if you put two experimenters in the room, and-. The Bad Show.ogg download. And is found by her son. This story made us wonder, "Is David's friend-". Finally acknowledging, "Yeah, that's true." Suddenly I'm thinking this is actually a darker interpretation. Then he goes and celebrates that, and then walks away from his child and his wife dead in the garden and says, "More of that please.". Well, I can use that same process to make explosives because the thing that you put into the ground to grow more food is also the thing you can explode to make a bomb.". That's like an adult blue whale of chlorine. If any sizeable fraction actually acted on their homicidal fantasies, the streets would be running- running red. In those days if you're a convicted male felon, you are, you know, strung up by- You're not allowed to hang till you die. Haber, it's unknown what happens for the rest of the evening, but it is a well documented fact that the very next morning-. Check out the Casper or the Wave mattress with a support system that mirrors your body shape. Suspected that it could be upwards of 75. In December of 2001, my father and his colleagues, uh, made the arrest. And on June 13th, 2003, Gary was secretly taken out of his jail cell and brought to this sort of very nondescript concrete ugly office building and, um, over the next six months from June to early December. That he asked Gary, there was a lot of questions he was asking. And that we're not going to be shocked with anything-. He's bald, he has a potbelly, he has these pince-nez spectacles, he's chomping on a Virginian cigar, he was always smoking these Virginian cigars and he's wearing a fur coat. They're engaged with the test, they're trying to be good participants. And actually this wasn't just a German thing, a lot of people were beginning to worry that with about a billion and a half people on the planet, at that point, that maybe we were maxing out, that the earth couldn't support this many people. In fact we hate being told. Now, that right there, slap some quotations around that. We did a show called The Bad Show. And-. (beep) God. And it's kind of surprising, a lot of them are really positive, even though they've just been told that they were duped. And this particular story, it comes from a book that David wrote. But it wasn't until a few years later that he learned something that really put what happened that night into context. When you call someone, "Evil." Well, let's talk about Fritz Haber. Then, we reconsider what Stanley Milgram's famous experiment really revealed about human nature (it's both better and worse than we thought). Enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. Were you a little bit, like, horrified? If the experiment had to be successful, it had to be carried on.". Each answer just begs another why. It's a graphic or an illustrated novel. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. The Germans were on one side, the French, the Canadians, and the British on the other. He's such a puzzle to me. Then suddenly the thought occurred to me that my life would be much happier without him in existence.". Yeah, members of his extended family did; certainly friends of his did. Hmm. Yeah. Look, the participants, it's not just blind obedience, "Oh you tell me so, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". I got it in front of me, I've just got the data from the Milgram study. I- horrified is- I was- I was pretty stunned. I really want to do a good job.". Wore a little, um, uh, pince-nez? One of the reasons it grows, is because it's sucking up all the nitrogen in the soil. That's what's horrifying about it, but imagine they were administering pain to themselves. And then, he starts this period of roaming. Yeah. You wouldn't though. This has allowed the world to have 7 billion people. 'cause actually he studied between 20 and 40 different variants of this same paradigm. I invited him for dinner and as he was in the kitchen looking stupid peeling the carrots to make salad, I came up to him laughingly, gently so that he wouldn't suspect anything. And they go, "Why?" Saying, "You know, the process that I used to make food? Now that's important, it's very important. Stanley Milgram had four scripted prods that he wrote out for his experimenters for when the subjects didn't want to continue. And as it happens, my father has very vivid memories of investigating the Carol Christensen murder. Nobody had done what she was about to do on the scale that he was about to do it. To feed about 30 million people. Then he goes and, you know, and celebrates that. I mean, that's a pretty heady thing for, you know, a Jewish kid from Breslau to be hobnobbing with the Emperor and cabinet ministers. And why I cared for her because I dated her before, but this day didn't turn out right. His health is failing in 1934, he takes a trip to Switzerland to a sanatorium-. Yeah, I don't think we quite [crosstalk 00:49:32]. Within minutes the gas reached the Allied side. She was good to- she was good to me. But did it, publicly, in front of her friends. What does he say? All rights reserved. And I devoted one class session to the topic of homicide and why people kill. With my arm. Y-P-R-E-S, Actually the Americans called it [inaudible 00:36:42]. Like, saying like, "I don't want to kill a guy.". Pince-nez, okay. And at the very end of the play when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? What makes a bad person so bad that he's different from the rest of us? And today evil, although, I don't know if that's the right word for this next thing. Said, "Yes, I've thought about killing someone?". And it's moving in about one meter per second. The participants, you know, they're not- it's not- it's not just blind obedience. So, I'm just going to go into this other room over here. He buried them, or left their bodies in these little clumps in the woods-. That's my thing and that's where I'm going to stand on it. Hi, this is Lauren from Winnipeg. And I heard about him from science writer, Sam Kean. Some people describe it as a cloud, and then others describe it as this kind of 15 foot wall kind of hugging the land, and it's just sort of approaching. Bonobos. Listen to free wherever you go to podcast and sign up at openearsproject.org. Especially when it came to one particular fact. My point is sometimes when we ask the why in the face of profound evil, I kind of wonder if what we're doing is that we're daring God to show himself. This is RadioLab. Stanley Milgram took electric shock very seriously. What you know-". But he does it with a kind of amoral athleticism, he does it without humility, without a lot of doubt. And today, evil? He could do anything. This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. Now what you need to understand about Alex Haslem is that he hates it when interviewers only want to talk about the baseline study. And that's all the difference in the world. The experiment requires that we continue. Haber starts thinking, in order to do this we need to, uh, pressure this. Said, "Deadly enmity between two friends make poor men's cattle break their necks, set fire on barns, and haystacks in the night, and bid the owners quench them with their tears. Take one. Now there's a footnote to this that is very strange. According to some accounts, as they crept across no man's land. We have nothing. So, around the turn of the century for German scientists like Haber, this was the challenge. I liked her. So I'm just going to go into this other room over here. So, who is- who is this guy right here? Yeah, I agree with that. Was he trying to make a commentary or something? "Definitely yes.". And even though in the end they got him to confess to these 49 murders, they never really get any closer to an answer than this first why. Yeah. He- he loves the fatherland and he loves Germany. Okay. The show is nationally syndicated and is available as a podcast. Quite literally. And not just yeses. That one simple, "Why?" Necrophilia. I've been thinking about him for the better part of a year as you know. So during World War I, Haber's Institute had developed a formulation of insect killing gas called zyklon. What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies; many of them after they were murdered. And everyone thought, "Well, we know the solution.". We want what Elizabethan's got at the scaffold, which was a confession. Takes away his wife, his children, all his material possessions. Well, have you ever been blackmailed the way this woman was being blackmailed? They were gagging, they were choking; hundreds of them were falling to the ground like-. And so, I went up to the bedroom and he was, you know, in a rage. Why did you do this?" Suddenly I'm thinking this is actually a darker interpretation-. In a lab at Yale University with a bunch of regular Americans. Direct your voice toward that microphone in the room [inaudible 00:20:33]-, So they sit down in the chair thinking, "Wow, this is really important. He did this experiment a bunch of times, and in a bunch of different ways. He says that he's always been hiring people based on how smart they are, and not who their grandparents were. 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