john macarthur on elevation church

IMHO he totally manipulated the emotions of his audience and used the scriptures in an inappropriate way. I hear the anti christ will also be a great orator and just as charismatic. I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). And lets talk about finance. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) I surrendered to a calling of God. Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? Finally that book! "[30] MacArthur holds to the dispensationalist school of premillennialism, a pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church, and a literal Millennium. Matt. Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? It just looks weird. I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. By the way I got your recommended book. Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? or redistributed. It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR DEFIES CALIFORNIA'S COVID RESTRICTION AGAINST INDOOR SERVICES, The statement continued, "He saw a doctor on Sunday afternoon and he is in good health, and just needs rest from a busy holiday week. They drift from church to church. JOHN: When you go out the door, there's one for each of you. (function(d){var f = d.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT')[0], p = d.createElement('SCRIPT');p.type = 'text/javascript';p.async = true;p.src = '//widgets.wp.com/platform.js';f.parentNode.insertBefore(p,f);}(document)); on Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. He went on to say, "I understand that Im a fifth cousin, and so its quite a distance but nonetheless we are related. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. Not on Amazon it aint! ", "What is dispensationalism? He states, "You must receive Jesus Christ for who He is, both Lord and Savior, to be truly saved (2 Peter 2:20). PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. [16][17], Central to MacArthur's theology is a very high view of scripture (the 66 books of the Protestant Bible). I think putting Chandler in the same category as Furtick is disgraceful and totally unwarranted and thus simply ask G White to justify that. This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? [6] During a 1979 interview, Pastor MacArthur stated he is "distantly related to General Douglas MacArthur." So it wasnt all bad. Outwith a Southern US culture it makes no sense and Im not sure that for many of my Southern friends it makes any sense either. I am intrigued as to why you think my challenge to the claim is disgraceful and totally unwarranted, but you dont think the claim itself is? Would you add John Piper, Tim Keller and Alaister Begg to your bonfire? - John MacArthur", "John F. MacArthur - The Master's Seminary", "MacArthur Appointed Baptist College Gets New President, Name", http://www.bing.com/search?q=When+was+the+MacArthur+New+Testament+Commentary+Series+completed%3F&go=%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AA%E9%80%81%E4%BF%A1&qs=bs&form=QBRE, "The Modern Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", "Reexamining the Eternal Sonship of Christ", "The Loving Husband: A Portrait of Christ", "Can Women Exercise Authority in the Church? You can follow him on Twitter @timothynerozzi and can email him at timothy.nerozzi@fox.com, Get all the stories you need-to-know from the most powerful name in news delivered first thing every morning to your inbox. More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. I dont know enough about Elevation to make that kind of judgment, but there are warning signs. Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). This British website sets out clearly the Biblical gospel, compared to the ME gospel, in the context of evangelism. It was neither juicy nor gossip. Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. A point you also mentioned. 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. It happens. Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. I might write a review later but the book is dreadful Mark Driscoll and Tim Keller, for example, are frequently careless and irreverent in the way they use Scripture. Really? Your reply was typical of the kind of legalistic posts which I regularly get sent. If you stop and think about what you have written you will I hope grasp what is wrong with it. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. I know the drill. When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. The point you made about Matt Chandler was that he does not live as a Christian (how can you know that? Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. 3) Its not Furtick who will save the world from hate, crime, drugs etc. Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. Lets put it this way- if you are buying a $1.8 million home you aint exactly of the take no purse school of ministry! Can we in the UK stop copying these kind of churches? Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. But to me that is clear what it is. 2) Its also not advisable as someone who professes to be a Christian and follow Christ to swear. This is way more than urging caution, as you later suggested. Just a couple of verses from Ezekiel (which I am currently reading), the context being God restoring his people: (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque PPS. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. 2. And it's thewe call it the Shepherd's Testament; it has a little shepherd's rod on the front. John MacArthur. Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! Is this success? During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. I can write the e-mails. Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. Check out what's clicking on Foxnews.com. One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . The reality is that you have a bunch of people who want pastors to be poor while they make fortunes off of fake news. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. Earlier this year his church was embroiled in a scandal over their handling of a child sexual abuse case. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. Sadly, however, there are also times when you use it to bully, abuse and browbeat. The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. More here: https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Thanks very helpfulalthough I think that the money and the me focus are a key part of the false teaching. From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. If he is doing wrong it will come out in the wash but just to hate on a pastor because he has money is stupid. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. It demonstrates a mindset that says this is MY church. [41] MacArthur compared the assertion that sexual orientation is a born trait to a hypothetical bank robber's protestation, "I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. Cho resigned the next day. As for your other points, Matt Chandlers church eventually acted only after a number of Christian magazines and websites had highlighted their initial inaction. [38] He has delivered multiple sermons where he discusses these issues. 1) You came on my blog page and accused Matt Chandler of not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. [9] In 1963, he was granted a Masters of Divinity from the Bible Institute of Los Angeles's new Talbot Theological Seminary, in La Mirada, California, with honors. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. It was a fantastic balance of biblical theology and Christ centered worship. Follow TheWeeFlea.com on WordPress.com He is a ministry collaborator with . Legal Statement. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. 4) Your last post just uses ad hom and tries to dodge justifying your original statement about Chandler by attacking me and what I have said, whilst giving not one concrete example. He has to answer to God of where is heart is and how he gets or gives the money he has. (Screenshot credit: Julie Roys/YouTube), Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. Its a sad fact that this nonsense is already here in Scotland supported by the new breed of self appointed apostles and prophets. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. You call them out or call them to repentance but see no need to repent yourself. Last summer I had the privilege to attend and worship at an Acts 29 church plant in Shepherds Bush, and I pray that God would plant more churches like it across the UK. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he. Grace Community Church, home to pastor-teacher John MacArthur, is located in Sun Valley, California and has been faithfully proclaiming God's Word since 1956. I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. And they aint all wrong. Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. . On top of that, MacArthur also took a salary from Grace Community Church that was "well within the upper-medium range" for California church employees, according to Johnson's 2014 statement. An apologist and blogger is claiming that Matt Chandler's sermon was censored during a rebroadcast. I'm a bank robber."[41]. It is wonderful stuff Matt and Tim Keller are two mega church US pastors who I listen to every week! I love the gospel, and I love the Lords people from whatever background, and I want to see Christ glorified throughout the world. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? If you dont like it, too bad. Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? (You can read the follow up five years later! Los Angeles County sued the church over its refusal to close down, and the church counter-sued, claiming that the County was violating rights to freedom of religion. I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. If we believe that the message in our books is from God, and we feel it so strongly, then we dont really need to promote it, do we? It is sometimes quite difficult to know how to answer you because of the way in which you misrepresent what is being said. People make millions selling sex, playing sports and funny you never hear the news say that is wrong. Its a nasty wee trick to try and shut someone up by complaining that they always try and have the last word if they reply then of course you are proved right and can feel self-justified. You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. L ast week, John MacArthur celebrated 50 years in the pastorate at a conference at his congregation Grace Community Church. Period. Were deeply grateful for that. ", "New Covenant Theology Compared With Covenantalism", "Why Every Calvinist Should Be a Premillennialist, Part 1", "Megapastor John MacArthur says 'no one is gay', compares homosexuality to adultery", "L.A. megachurch pastor mocks pandemic health orders, even as church members fall ill", "Fact Check-CDC comorbidity figures presented in sermon do not undermine deadliness of COVID-19", "L.A. County could pay $400,000 settlement to church that fought COVID-19 mandates", "John MacArthur and Grace Community Church win $800,000 settlement from California and L.A. County", https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2023/february/grace-community-church-elder-biblical-counseling-abuse.html, "Questions and Answers -- Patricia MacArthur", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_MacArthur_(American_pastor)&oldid=1142238580, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 07:45. Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. Some are good, some are bad. There's some really helpful information in there. Excellent post David. I found helpful most of what he said and disagreed with a few things. All I would say is that there was no irrational, ranting, preaching anywhere in it. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. What talent, what ability, what fantastic communication skills, what self-belief, what a tragedy! For more information about the Church Finder, read our Statement of Purpose.. rm. [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. But there is one criticism that I want to deal with in finishing. [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. 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